H.R. 45 is Draconian Gun Control
What H.R. 45 Does
The legislation has three main components.
- Increasing requirements for firearms purchases.
- Creating a national firearms registry overseen by the Federal Government.
- Stiffen penalties for bookkeeping errors related to the Federal Firearms Database formed in section 2.
To purchase a firearm a person would be required to pass a written firearms examination, release all health records — including mental heath records — to the Attorney General’s office, and submit to a two-day waiting period, as well as pay an “appropriate” fee of $25 per firearm.
Additionally, every firearm sale would be recorded in a database, which would track the serial number, make, model and identity of the owner. The legislation would also make all private sales of firearms illegal, and a felony offense.
In addition to these regulations, the legislation includes excessive regulations and penalties for bureaucratic missteps from simple failures to report address changes to failure to report stolen weapons.
Provisions of H.R. 45 include:
You can read the full text of the bill here.Click here to sign the petition against H.R. 45!
Who’s sponsoring H.R. 45
H.R. 45 — President Obama’s National Gun Registry and Citizen Disarmament Act — was written by Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush (D). It currently has no cosponsors.
But will it pass Congress?
Congressman Rush’s bill an outrageous destruction of Constitutional Rights, but it’s the compromises that are truly dangerous
Though far-left gun-haters routinely sponsor pie-in-the-sky legislation (anyone remember the days of Sen. Moynihan’s annual 1000% tax on ammo?), H.R. 45 has set new lows for the depths to which hoplophobes will sink.
Is H.R. 45 dangerous? Yes. But is it likely to pass? No, not in its current form…. it’s too far-reaching.
What is likely to pass, though, is a compromise, a deal cut with the gun-grabbers and the group that ostensibly represents gun owners, the NRA.
Think that can’t happen? Rewind to the summer of 2007, when arch gun-hater Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy sat down with NRA board member Congressman John Dingell to craft a deal to expand Brady Checks into new realms of mental health records. A few months later, H.R. 2640 passed…with the approval of the NRA and McCarthy.
Congressman Rush’s gun control ideas are much, much more dangerous as amendments to legislation that is already advancing.
Remember the Brady Bill? It didn’t pass as a stand-alone bill. It passed as an amendment.
Even more frightening was that it passed with the approval of the NRA (click here for that full story)
The same is true of the Lautenberg Domestic Abuse ban, the Assault Weapons ban, 1986 McClure-Volkmer (which bans the manufacture of transferable machine guns), the 1968 Gun Control Act, and numerous other examples (especially if you look at state legislation).
Yes, we’re watching H.R. 45. , and we want everyone to sign our petition against it. But also beware the slight of hand — it’s often more dangerous.
Click here to sign the petition against H.R. 45!
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February 5, 2009 at 09:24
Seems reasonable legislation to me.
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February 5, 2009 at 09:33
Care to extrapolate about that?
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February 5, 2009 at 14:55
I signed the petition, Pat, and that seems reasonable to me! The underlying cause of massacres is not that guns exist. The cause is, rather, that we have tragically ill people who know they will face no opposition. The massacres will not stop if you keep legislating guns — they will accelerate!
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February 6, 2009 at 19:14
Patrick, I’m going to use this on my radio show this coming Wednesday – I’ll refer people back to your site since you are my guns expert. 🙂
Diane
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February 7, 2009 at 07:44
That would be fine Diane. The more that people become aware of the dangers of such folly, then the better the chance that things like this will not come to fruition.
Tony, years ago I coined a term applicible to such areas. I called them “Free fire zones.” Others have also used the term, but, to the best of my knowledge my term paper in 1989 was the earliest. How many free fire zones are there now..?
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February 9, 2009 at 10:09
Patrick – did you notice who sponsored HR45?
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February 9, 2009 at 11:14
creeping:
Are you referring to the Black Panther that I have posted about, Bobby Rush? Or to others that have jumped onto his bandwagon?
The way things are going in foggy bottom, I suspect that this will end up with many supporters in the swamp. Further, that it will be “Lautenberged” into law; As in sneaked through, without a vote, in the dark of the night.
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February 16, 2009 at 18:25
Can we stop with this “FAR LEFT” nonsense? I am part of the FAR LEFT and I am against ALL gun control. I think we ought to be able to purchase fully automatic weapons and Surface-to-Air missiles.
It is the ersatz left i.e., ‘LIBERALS’ that want to ban guns– and frankly gun control is like many other government intrusions into people’s lives (e.g., drug laws, sex-laws, et.al.)– that is to say, usually the domain of RIGHT-WINGER FASCISTS (Ronnie REAGAN was in favor of Gun Control in CA when the Black Panthers were exercising their 2nd Amendment rights BTW. REAGAN was a Fascist).
The non-libertarian right (i.e., most of the GOP) is in favor of all kinds of government intrusion into our lives if they think it offends their (non-existent) god. So banning gay-sex, or drugs, or tattoo-shops in the city limits is the work of right-wing conservatives 9 out of 10 times. Therefore I suggest the right stop pretending it’s merely the FAR LEFT is trying to use the government to control our lives. The establishment-RIGHT is more guilty of using the STATE to control us than the REAL Left (not ‘liberals, mind you— but REAL LEFTISTS, like me!)…
The REAL left in this country is very very PRO-GUN (I am a RMGO member by the way [I’ve spoken with Dudley personally many times] and a member of the ACLU). We are a small minority but I am sick of hearing all this nonsense about the ‘far-left’ being anti-gun. It is NOT true. Pelosi is not FAR LEFT she is a pusillanimous liberal with some fascistic tendencies vis-a-vis guns. Obama is no friend to the real LEFT. I didn’t vote for him.
Lastly, Che Guevara was not anti-gun. Nelson Mandela is not anti-gun. Radical leftist and author Sgt Stan Goff (US ARmy; SF/Delta Force operator; RET) is not anti gun. Thomas Jefferson was not anti-gun. Thomas Paine was not anti-gun. All these people are/were genuine leftists. ALL of them are/were pro-gun and for the right reasons: as a bulwark against tyranny.
Lock & load!
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February 16, 2009 at 18:51
So you and the very few out there like you are the exception that makes the rule.
I myself avoided Dudley and friends when I was still in the Denver area. I had a security clearance for a reason.
Tell me, what are your favorite gun stores there? I like Scotty’s out on east Colfax Ave. and Prairie Arms.
I also don’t usually use the old method of political classification, and think that the “Left” and “Right” terminology has lived out it’s usefulness if in fact it ever was a valid system.
Thanks for stopping by.
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February 27, 2009 at 09:04
Well, seems that more and more people support Obama changing the constitution, why not take all our rights away from us. That’s where it is going.
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May 20, 2009 at 12:28
I think if people that support this BILL, really do not care about their rights or anyone else’s.
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May 20, 2009 at 13:05
Oh, I think that they do care steve, just not about your rights that is. They are hell bent on a power trip IMO.
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June 13, 2009 at 21:40
I think the bill sounds reasonable? They are notaking guns away completely they are just making sure people who are sick in the head don’t get it before they go into a school and start shooting children. An essay can clearly see if a person is troubled. I am surprised that people find this rediculous. I am for this bill being passed. I AM against taking guns away completely, but I do like safety precautions. The children of Virginia Tech are for this bill. I am assuming most of the people on here have never been shot before and have never been afraid of people with guns. I just think that precautions should be taken. AND if the bill passes and it turns out to be a mistake then it will change back. It will be a nice social experiment. Just like prohibition. After the gov’t realised the crime went up after banning alcohol they immediatly allowed it back. Just give it a chance and see what happens. if it doesn’t work, it will be changed.
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June 14, 2009 at 14:22
Garrett; Next time try using spell check, and use a few citations as well. What you posted is, was, and continues to be nothing but pure unadulterated bovine feces…
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June 15, 2009 at 23:19
OK Patrick. Don’t get all high and mighty on me. LOL! Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean you can find a simple mistake like spelling and go call my ideas “unadulterated bovine feces” LOL… I am a chill person, and your words just speak more to a stereotype that people, who are against gun control precautions, are trying to get rid of. Your reaction to my post was unjustifiably aggressive. (Have fun going through spellcheck on that LOL)
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June 15, 2009 at 23:26
Also, you wouldn’t just want me saying “Seems reasonable legislation to me.” I read your post following that and I was thinking, “Oh. he wants to know other peoples opinion. Hopw open minded!” Why can’t there be a friendly debate. I explained how I feel now please tell me what you feel about what i feel. Then I will tell you how I feel about that, and then maybe I will see it through your eyes. MAYBE. Or maybe you will see it through mine. No idea. Let’s ttry it. This is called a debate.
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June 16, 2009 at 05:30
Alright Garrett I apologize, I was in an extremely foul mood when I posted that response.
As for debate? All fine and dandy. Post what you think is “reasonable” and or good about this issue. I recently started school again, and my responses may take a day or two. BTW, I don’t edit responses here as I think openness is something that should be cherished.
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June 17, 2009 at 23:15
“Requires passing a written examination to purchase a firearm. ”
I think this is good. It can prove that the person using the weapon is at least intelligent enough NOT to hurt someone else with it. I don’t thin kit needs to be a two page paper or anything. Maybe like three sentences or something.
“Releases medical records — including confidential mental health records — to the Attorney General for Government review. ”
This is risky, but it has to be certain that these files should never be leaked and if it so happen these files are leaked or broken into then the victim should be paid for the personal damages received. I think this because the gov’t is doing all of this for safety.
“Requires a two-day waiting period on all firearms purchases. ”
I don’t really understand why there needs to be a two-day waiting period… Maybe if someone is buying out of anger. I don’t know. Maybe they only need this two day waiting period in order to check all of the records.
Institutes a fee of $25 or more on all firearm purchases.
I think this is weird. If the government wants to put all of these regulations on gun purchasing then the government shouldn’t charge the person they are checking. I don’t know this one is weird.
“Creates a national database with all firearms and firearms owners registered by serial number with the Federal Government. ”
I deffinetly agree on this. Makes it easier to find a person who has killed someone. It is also just safer for the person holding the gun.
“A Federal ban on all private firearms sales.”
I don’t know about this. A part of me is understanding why they want to private firearm sales, but another part of me is saying to make sure the private seller is being responsible… but not everyone can be held responsible.
“Increases in penalties for clerical errors related to this national firearms registry. ”
This one is a sure why not sorta thing…
“report stolen weapons”
I think this is a no brainer. hey something of mine has been stolen. Let me cll the police so maybe i can get it back. I feel like if you don’t report it being stolen then something is wrong. Don’t you want your stolen property back LOL!
Other than that… I think that people shouldn’t be afraid of this bill. If you know that they you a sane person who has no need to cause harm to any living person then don’t worry, but guns are here to protect the well being of the general public not just one or two people. (whenever I say “you” it is a plural “you” not a direct singular “you”).
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June 18, 2009 at 13:01
Garret: Fundamentally, what the differences we have appear to revolve around the subject of unalienable, that is Natural, or God given Rights verses inalienable Government granted privileges, sometimes mistakenly called “rights.” Having said that;
“Requires passing a written examination to purchase a firearm. ”
Who writes and or administers the exam? Larry Pratt or Mayor Bloomfield? Why not extend that also to voting, freedom of speech, and yes even religion if it is such a great idea? I’m sorry, but I just have to disagree with you.
“Releases medical records — including confidential mental health records — to the Attorney General for Government review. ”
You bet it is risky, not to mention how governments in the past have used mental health issues to imprison or commit people.“Releases medical records — including confidential mental health records — to the Attorney General for Government review. ” The former Soviet Union would declare a person insane because the person disagreed with the government. Then there is the problem of security. How many times recently have confidential records been lost or stolen that were in the care of the government? I quit counting myself, as the list just seemed to grow on an almost daily basis for a while.
“Requires a two-day waiting period on all firearms purchases. ”
As noted there really does not appear to be any valid reason for a waiting period. Not to mention that there has never been a single instance where waiting periods stopped an instance of suicide or other crime were backed up by anything other than pure speculation.
“Institutes a fee of $25 or more on all firearm purchases.”
In addition to all of the other taxes and fees involved; all this does is discriminate against people that are poor. I debated this issue with an anti gun stalwart back in the mid nineties, he really blew it and lost all credibility when he resorted to the use of the phrase “Saturday Night Special.” I asked him if he was indeed a racist or just thought that the poor of any background had no right or need of effective personal defense.
“Creates a national database with all firearms and firearms owners registered by serial number with the Federal Government. ”
Such as the “registration only” law passed in California, later used to confiscate semi automatic rifles? Thanks, but I will disagree with you on that based upon the history of registration and gun control from literally all over the world.
“A Federal ban on all private firearms sales.”
See the above, as well as my opening statement. One of the arguments in favor of that is that then anyone that buys a firearm will have to undergo a background check. Will someone, anyone, please tell me when MS 13 for example submits to background checks for weapon purchases..?
“Increases in penalties for clerical errors related to this national firearms registry. ”
So then you are for locking up someone for forgetting to place a comma in the proper place, or an extra comma on a form? That’s the sort of thing that the BATFE regularly does. I find that neither reasonable or moral. We are not talking about falsification such as giving an alias.
“report stolen weapons”
If only it were so simple! This seeks to place an absolute time table on reporting the theft. A collector may have several safes with firearms in them, and may simply not notice one missing within the allotted period of time. Another person may have a home defense weapon that they keep tucked away, and may only check it from time to time for maintenance or to refresh ammunition. I have to disagree with you there as well.
I believe that people should be afraid of this bill, very afraid…
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June 18, 2009 at 23:57
THe difference I see in our ideas is that I have more of a blind faith in our government. And you have more of a paranoid government trying to get me kind of view. (Two extremes). Neither are good. I see what you are seeing now, but I am still in my mind thinking the governemtn is trying to do whats best, and I know that they aren’t always doing that, and you are thinking of it as the government is trying to make things harder on people. I don’t know. I agree with you on the waiting period. I agree with you on the $25. I don’t know. Report stolen weapons… I dissagre. I just feel like a gun shouldn’t be something you check on occasion. It should be something that you are in tabs with all the time. I see how the written examination can be a bit nerve racking, but I wonder what the questions will be first. Maybe it is like a gun safety written test to make sure. I believe in order to be deffinetly clear on this there needs to be some sort of database where they have a list of all of the questions that could possibly be asked. The releasing of medical records is where my trust in government kicks in. I don’t know. I look for the good in people, but it does worry me that the medical cases gets lost. That is scary. I also think the U.S. is very different than Russia. LOL… I love the idea though, above all else, of a national database. I think that is a smart thing to have. I am still on the fence of the private firearms sale. I think more liek clerical errors like an important file got put in the wrong bin that now gets sent out. Something more extreme than just a comma, but just like in life you make a mistake you should pay for it. BUT if it is the way YOU describe it then yea I agree with you, but I don’t see a clerical erropr being that small.
(just to let you know i am on the east coast so when I write these its like 3 AM. LOL Which is why these posts may seem jumbled or make no sense in some palces. LOL SORRY!)
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June 19, 2009 at 04:32
Not a problem with the delayed responses friend. Like, it’s just after 05:30 here, and I’m heading off to school. I will continue after I get back.
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